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Krishnaswamy

USA
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Posted - 08/10/2000 :  8:54:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Topic  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Topic
I have been struggling to prepare precisely scaled and cropped EPS output from Origin graphs for publication.
There has been a bit of discussion on this subject in this forum and there are a LOT of problems doing this even with Origin 6.0 under NT.
All the suggestions on this forum, the knowledge base and info from Tech Support did not yield satisfactory results.
The following is a relatively painless way of achieving high quality, scaled and cropped EPS output for Origin Graphs.
(Arrived at this after spending a week on this problem)

Copy Page under Origin.

"Simple Paste" (nothing fancy) to
Adobe Illustrator 9.0.
DO NOT PLACE or attempt to bring in EPS output from Origin.

Scale the grouped image.

Ungroup.

Repair the greek text. Origin evidently uses
a "Symbol*" rather than "Symbol" font for greek. Highlight the incorrectly transferred greek text and change font to "Symbol"

Select all.

Under "Type" select "Create Outlines" to convert text to paths without loss in resolution.

Under "Object" Select "Path" then "CleanUp"
to eliminate blank place holders in various portions of the image.

Regroup image.

Save as EPS.

This works quickly and cleanly with very little gnashing of teeth.

gold

Germany
16 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2000 :  8:21:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I agree that EPS export is quite bad in Origin. I cope with the problem in the following 2 ways:

1st way:


  1. If U are under Win9x install AppleLaserWriter II NT printer driver and configure it to output EPS (rather than) PS format and output device is "FILE:"
  2. Draw Ur plot in scale 1x1. It can be just 8x8cm on the page.
  3. Print it to file using AppleLaserWriter II NT driver. Name the file plot.ps (not eps!)
  4. open plot.ps in GhostView. I suppose that if U deal with PS/EPS U have GhostView. It is freeware anyway. U can tell to Ghostview to show bounding box. As u see bounding box is now around the whole page, but we need it around a layer only.
  5. We choose in GhostView File|Ps_to_EPS, and check "Auto calculate Bounding box". "Did U read PS to EPS manual?" Press Yes. PS to EPS manual says that PS_to_EPS function DOES NOT convert PS to EPS but merely changes bounding box. ok. Save your file as plot.eps.
  6. Now open it in GhostView and U should see nice bounding box around your layer.

Warnings:


  1. it does not work under NT (or may be it works with Adobe PS driver v5.0).
  2. The created file is not real EPS as it contains "offending commands" (really, read GhostView's "PS to EPS manual")

2ns way:


  1. Install WMF2EPS (shareware)
  2. Draw your plot 1x1.
  3. Edit|CopyPage
  4. Run WMF2EPS and Paste Origin plot
  5. edit bounding box as needed
  6. save as eps

Notes:


  1. When U install WMF2EPS it works via Adobe PS driver, so U need to install it too.

General note. If your problem with EPS is that something is missing in EPS, bug Microcal.

Edward


Dr. Edward Goldobin

[This message has been edited by gold (edited 08-14-2000).]

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ru_pro

USA
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Posted - 08/14/2000 :  8:34:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
First of all, indeed, one can produce nice scaled and croped EPS using simple "print-to-file" method.
Second, Adobe Illustrator is an expensive program and I don't think it is worth it to buy just for EPS output.
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Krishnaswamy

USA
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Posted - 08/14/2000 :  8:56:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Is your implication that scaled (pubilcation size) and cropped EPS output can be created by Origin 6.0 under Windows NT while maintaining symbol and text sizes?

Not just rhetoric, but a procedure that reproducibly works?

Notice that there is a lot of discussion about this. It is not trivial.

Perhaps you would like to share that with the rest of us and with the people at tech. support at Microcal.
Yes, it seems odd to buy Illustrator just for this but the journal requires 1200 dpi scaled and cropped EPS output. Getting it is cheaper than spending one week on this silly exercise.
I eagerly await your method.
Krishnaswamy

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ru_pro

USA
14 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2000 :  8:23:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I havn't worked with NT, but there is a lot of discussion at MikTex forum about exporting EPS from any Windows program (also for NT). Look at www.miktex.org

I am sure Microcal developers work on EPS export problem and we'll hear from them pretty soon.

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gold

Germany
16 Posts

Posted - 08/16/2000 :  4:18:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Dear ru_pro,

I beleave that Microcal does not work on EPS export. Some 3rd party company does. The 1st result we have seen already in v6.0. That was scary :-o

Edward

Dr. Edward Goldobin

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ru_pro

USA
14 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2000 :  2:56:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Dear Gold,
Let me assure you that Microcal developers take EPS export very seriously and you will see a lot of improvements in the next release. Meanwhile, "print-to-file" method is the best.
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ru_pro

USA
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Posted - 08/24/2000 :  4:21:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
This sounds strange. What happens if you physically print a graph using a PostScript printer?

Also, I think Adobe has an updated PS driver for NT (not sure, though).

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Krishnaswamy

USA
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Posted - 08/24/2000 :  8:26:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Gary,
I am using Origin 6.0 SR4 under windows NT.
I tried both methods that you suggested to no avail.
The fact is that all these methods do work to varying extents and somewhat erratically. Inevitably, some aspect of the EPS output, viewed with GhostScript, was messed up. Examples include bizarre spacing of the label text. Shifts in the tick labels. Plot scaled but symbols unscaled. Large changes in the aspect ratio. Perhaps unique sets of output conditions or EPS printer drivers can be found for each plot. However, this is not a particularly pleasant way to spend time.
Krishnaswamy
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Gary Lane

USA
150 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2000 :  8:51:00 PM  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Hello!!!

I must admit to a certian amount of frustration over this issue. Let me tell you first hand that OriginLab (formerly Microcal Software) cares greatly about its EPS export and has spent a good deal of time, effort, and money to improve it. We have been less than completely satisfied with the existing library based EPS export routine and so are creating our own. It has been no small feat. You should be seeing results soon.

In the mean time I have been able to create precisely scaled/sized EPS image files using two different methods. Please see my earlier Forum post. Essentially, one method uses the Origin 6.0 SR4 EPS export feature with a precisely scaled page size and with the Keep Size option enabled. The other method involves printing to PS printer driver that supports a custom page size (specified by the user).

I have personally seen both of these methods work but I am not a researcher so I may not fully understand all your needs. I would greatly appreciate some detailed feedback on whether or not these methods do in fact work.

Thanks for any help.

-Gary

P.S. Any opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily OriginLab's.

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